tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post1832673468813791970..comments2023-10-22T09:32:13.417-04:00Comments on Big Trial | Philadelphia Trial Blog: More Meddling In Inky NewsroomAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04116104602505815614noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-83580824377975725202016-02-17T03:51:35.399-05:002016-02-17T03:51:35.399-05:00Interesting stuffInteresting stuffGarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-52330565665212925862013-12-11T12:00:46.473-05:002013-12-11T12:00:46.473-05:00Thanks to Ralph for filling in one of the big blan...Thanks to Ralph for filling in one of the big blanks in the Inquirer's own coverage: how the Katz-Phillips-Marimow triad functions in the newsroom. I hasten to add that I am no fan of Mr. Norcross' faction either. I endorse the views of Tom Livingston made on LinkedIn, and the need for a more altruistic ownership. Kevin Haneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-35708995581362312502013-12-09T17:18:26.704-05:002013-12-09T17:18:26.704-05:00Kumbaya y'all. Hehehe.Kumbaya y'all. Hehehe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-8215550223966006062013-12-09T07:58:36.185-05:002013-12-09T07:58:36.185-05:00Anonymous -- All the facts are on the table. Ralp...Anonymous -- All the facts are on the table. Ralph and Big Trial have answered concerns I've had. I've conceded he had some good points to make and Katz needs to step carefully. I don't think any arteries have been drilled. There is no doubt that Ralph has contributed honestly and passionately to the debate over good newspapering. Bob Frumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08653347105459225124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-43927436686473193502013-12-09T07:45:00.023-05:002013-12-09T07:45:00.023-05:00Is there anybody out there who doesn't know I ...Is there anybody out there who doesn't know I sued the Inky back in 1998? It's been written about by the Washington Post, NY Times, Philadelphia Weekly, City Paper, Editor and Publisher, American Journalism Review, National Catholic Reporter, etc.I've given interviews to everybody under the sun. I wrote a chapter about my lawsuit in Courtroom Cowboy, a 2008 biography of Jim Beasley Sr., which inspired another round of publicity about the case. In my opinion, it's been written about to death. bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-36838701663318286102013-12-08T20:54:25.660-05:002013-12-08T20:54:25.660-05:00I know everyone involved here, and personally, I t...I know everyone involved here, and personally, I think Marimow should not have been fired. It was a stupid mistake, whoever did it. That said, Frump has zero credibility on this issue. And Ralph ought to disclose his past with the paper. Frump could gain credibility by challenging Ralph's facts as opposed to challenging him personally. But I suspect Frump has no ammo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-72788600498589034732013-12-07T21:03:21.516-05:002013-12-07T21:03:21.516-05:00Ralph and the folks at BigTrial also make some poi...Ralph and the folks at BigTrial also make some points on Frump.org in response to my posts. <br />Here's the deal. Has Ralph made some points here? Sure. Undeniably. But to my mind it seems as if he has drilled some capillaries and then shouted, "Blood."<br />The mention of Katz and editors' love lives has grown tiresome and salacious and so far from what I can see reveals that Philadelphia may be a little like France. Get me rewrite! This Page 6 type of treatment works. Once. Not every day. <br />The idea that an editor or reporter would have helped recruit Marimow or some other editor may be a scandal to Ralph, but it's actually rewarded at most corporations with cash. I've helped hire my boss before. It's called recruiting. It only sounds weird in a context where it is hyped to sound weird. In the rest of the world, it is rewarded with bonuses. <br />And then there are more serious areas where questions are raised, the names of reporters darkened, but no answers are given. Were the stories that did not mention Katz suppressed in some way? Were the editors intimidated? We really don't know. The questions are not answered. The reporters and sub-editors are named and left twisting in the wind, with the implication that they either feared reprisals from Katz or that Katz had mention of Katz outright killed. Which is it? Report it out. Maybe it is an artery. My guess is it's another capillary. <br />As to the obit, as I've said before, as reported, owner sponsored obits are wrong. But honestly I cannot count all the funeral directors over the years who told me they knew my boss, the owner of the paper, the wife of the owner, the brother of my editor. It's standard funeral director blather that you either ignore or finesse. This just seems like routine problem over-produced into a mini-scandal. <br />The truly bothersome approach here is that Ralph's coverage seems to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted -- the reverse of the old canard. <br />The act of commission here was not Marimow-Katz. The aggression against good news standards was on the Norcross side with the firing of Marimow pretty clearly connected to Lexie Norcross's sloppy efforts to run free political opinion pieces and tweet her approval of Norcross-backed pols. Yet Ralph portrays Norcross as the victim and Katz as an aggressor. I'm not sure if Ralph is being played here or not, but this is completely out of the Roger Ailes school of political framing and "stealing the story." <br />Given all that, Ralph's coverage is as if the Washington Post, upon hearing about Watergate, did an exhaustive investigation of why the Democratic Party National Headquarters had such lousy security that they got broken into. <br />It's not that this wasn't a story. It just wasn't the big story. <br />The big story is how badly Norcross is messing up the web -- and how criticism of that lead to the firing of an editor who is among the best in the business. <br />I'd love to see some of that on Big Trial just to balance it out. <br />Bob Frumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08653347105459225124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-45809975595183874892013-12-07T14:25:18.993-05:002013-12-07T14:25:18.993-05:00Ralph rightly called me out for not acknowledging ...Ralph rightly called me out for not acknowledging some of these points, and I’ll concede he was right. Those aren’t good developments and if I ignore them, I’m no better than… well, no better than other blogs that state one side of an issue and ignore the other. Frumped.orgBob Frumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08653347105459225124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-82495895068946501762013-12-07T14:18:08.729-05:002013-12-07T14:18:08.729-05:00http://rfrump.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post...http://rfrump.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=1177&action=edit&message=6&postpost=v2 makes some concessions. Bob Frumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08653347105459225124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-3342945239808054952013-12-07T13:04:25.559-05:002013-12-07T13:04:25.559-05:00I would be much happier to take with someone who h...I would be much happier to take with someone who has the integrity to include a real name and ask a real question based on what I wrote rather than a sophomoric debating club question based on misstatement and illogical extensions. <br />But yes, I'd put my money on Marimow, for sure, versus "Anonymous." What I've asked Ralph to do is 1.) identify the background of Big Trial. 2.) When he writes about the Inquirer,note his history. <br />His emphasis here certainly is pro-Norcross in my opinion. I respect point of view reporting, and have no problem if he has a dog in this fight. I just think readers have a right. to know where the barking is coming from. <br />Same goes for you. <br />The concept that Marimow is somehow the problem with "meddling' beggars belief. The idea that the newsroom somehow was intimidated into applauding for Bill is just...incredible. <br />Look, good reporters, including Ralph, run at right angles to everything. That's great. So is a good, free interchange of ideas. Preferably, signed. <br />I really do not understand why Ralph has taken just the one side he has taken given the personal stands he has made in the past. The fact that the Inquirer is imperfect and yes, perhaps Marimow too, does not mean one abandons a superb,ethical editor and rush into the arms of a discredited publisher and a Norcross web strategy that is among the worst in the business. <br />Big Trial regularly has gone beyond the trial to dislodge nuggets of mini-scandal within the newsroom. Why not cover the larger picture of the mistakes that Hall is making? And the Norcross web team? <br />Seriously would be interested. I think Ralph does some great writing and reporting and if Big Trial is indeed giving him a free shot at this, then I would love for him to follow up and look at the web stuff. It's directly related to how well the business is being waged. <br />Lose this battle on behalf of one of the best news editors in the business, and you are going down the road of link-bait and you will be interviewing the owners of Flippy the Sleepy Squirrel. Is that OK with you?Bob Frumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08653347105459225124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-62778710362359230582013-12-06T17:57:15.653-05:002013-12-06T17:57:15.653-05:00So Frumpy, let me get this straight. It's OK w...So Frumpy, let me get this straight. It's OK with you if Lew Katz sits in on news meetings. It's OK if Katz approves obits in advance. It's OK if the Inky reports about 8th and Market and never mentions Katz owns property there. All that's OK as long as it's not Norcross, right?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-54064805117608187102013-12-06T17:51:52.157-05:002013-12-06T17:51:52.157-05:00All is well at the Inky according to the Frumpster...All is well at the Inky according to the Frumpster. As long as Billy Marimow is in that editor's chair. All is well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-75948326168191172292013-12-06T13:46:00.522-05:002013-12-06T13:46:00.522-05:00For a contrary view, see frumped.orgFor a contrary view, see frumped.orgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com