tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post8688512891785065178..comments2023-10-22T09:32:13.417-04:00Comments on Big Trial | Philadelphia Trial Blog: Don't Write A Suicide Note Without Showing It To Your LawyerAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04116104602505815614noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-88153246013983748412013-03-26T21:49:00.837-04:002013-03-26T21:49:00.837-04:00My take on the note, absent any history of abuse, ...My take on the note, absent any history of abuse, is that it corroborates what is obvious, which is that he is a depressed social misfit who has shouldered a fair measure of abuse and harassment over the years. I think he was just fed up with living life as the weirdo kick boy. Of all the sad figures in these cases, "victims" and accused, Shero seems like he was dealt the shortest hand. We all had these types in our neighborhoods and if there is a hell or purgatory, its reserved for the times when we took our own frustrations and sense of impotence out on these sad odd balls. <br />Ken, I don't disagree that there has been exaggeration. But the story was originally that it was a Boston problem, then, an American problem, and now its obvious it occurred in Ireland and worldwide. Having spent years claiming the problem was small and isolated, there's bound to be a reaction. The church's own John Jay study acknowledges a significant level of abuse. The RCC of my youth had a terrifying level of authority over my community. The priests had unquestioned control over the school, health care, nursing home care and most major life events. It was interwoven in every aspect of life. Complaints about abuse of authority fell on deaf ears, whether it was the incompetent grade school teacher or restricting access to facilities parishioners paid for, there was no recourse or appeal. And there was a level of arrogance that was tough to describe. Tolerating abusive priests, physical, sexual, or emotional, was expected. We tolerated it because they assured us they knew best and it was part of Gods plan. Is the sexual component exaggerated, maybe. Did every parish deal with at least one petty abusive tyrant who abused his office, yes. That abuse is grossly understated.kopridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033734864815154844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-23934920269463721672013-03-22T09:14:14.606-04:002013-03-22T09:14:14.606-04:00please inform me what you feel is "quite inac...please inform me what you feel is "quite inaccurate" or what you heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-29313558790216939872013-03-22T06:27:02.091-04:002013-03-22T06:27:02.091-04:00Dennis,
I would not be so quick to say that the c...Dennis,<br /><br />I would not be so quick to say that the cousin does not have a history similar to Billy's in one form or another. You obviously are only assuming things at this point, because your # 5 statement above is quite inaccurate from what I heard. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-38079259101034472592013-03-22T05:32:00.629-04:002013-03-22T05:32:00.629-04:00Sir, I don't want this to be a big argument bu...Sir, I don't want this to be a big argument but how is Sarah being dishonest ? What she states about the catholic church is true. Catholic women are on the pill, catholic men do use condoms, but the church wants you to believe that's wrong. Catholic men and women masterbate but the catholic church wants you to believe that's wrong. If a can recall correctly from my grade school days they consider that a form of self mutilation. But did you know it is one way to prevent prostate cancer. When your getting your chemo and radiation think back and say to yourself I did not do what the church thought was wrong. <br /><br />Now with regards to the pope it is relevant to this trial, the past trials and all the other cases in the world. The pope is the CEO, he has final say and nobody he has to answer to. He has final say how the catholic church deals with clergy abuse, and by what is being reported in the media it sounds like it will be business as usual.<br /><br />However, I believe he needs time to settle in. I will give him time to gain my respect before I close the door on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-51688195548515534942013-03-22T03:55:11.993-04:002013-03-22T03:55:11.993-04:00Somethings to think about:
1. Regarding both Sher...Somethings to think about:<br /><br />1. Regarding both Shero & Engelhardt. Why did these two individuals refuse to take the stand in their own defense ? If you are being accused of a crime, and you are innocent, have nothing to hide, would you not want to scream it from the roof tops so everyone can hear ? (now the jury is not to let this decide guilt or innocence)<br /><br />2. The Suicide Note. Here are your final words you are leaving to your parents,especially to your mother who you love so much. but not one word to put her at ease you did not do this horrific crime. You leave one paragraph talking about this case and not only did you not defend yourself, you speak not one word of anger towards the individual who has brought false charges against you. <br /><br />Now some of you have mentioned that these two individuals do not have any history of past abuse, and i will agree it is rare, but it is not written in stone. But, are you sure these two individuals 100% do not have a past history ?<br /><br />3.Remember Mr. Shero was spoken to by a fellow teacher for having inappropriate behavior with minors. Although it may have been only putting his arm around a child or resting his hand on a knee. A child may feel uncomfortable and will refuse to report it in fear of getting a bad grade. Also this is ONE of the most common grooming techniques used by abusers. (Testing to see how far they can go.) Those who have children or grand-children think about your kids who may have to go through this, who are afraid to tell mom or dad, or pop-pop or grandmom.<br /><br />4.Then you have kids who threw rocks at his house. Why did they do this ? Was it because these kids were not taught any better, or was it because of fear ? Some kids have that extra sense who to go near and who to stay away from.<br /><br />5.Now you have Engelhardt. How many remember Brian Lyman ? The cousin of Engelhardt. When asked the question regarding Engelhardt's reputation he responded "he has a horrible reputation." Then not to be crossed by the defense was a loud statement the jury heard. This man is not a drug addict, not a criminal, has nothing to gain or lose in this trial but also made it crystal clear (away from the jury) he was there to support the victim. There are also those rumors that Ralph even reported on if he was allowed to testify he would of spoke of abuse by Engelhardt. For a man to make a statement about a relative, a relative who married you and your spouse, and baptize your kids is more than a family tiff. This man is very educated and I think he knows his 5 word statement can be a MAJOR factor that may put away his cousin for decades.<br /><br />I would not want to be at that house for Thanksgiving <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-13211896928232910252013-03-21T22:52:06.576-04:002013-03-21T22:52:06.576-04:00KO, by and large I agree with what you are saying ...KO, by and large I agree with what you are saying except for one aspect: where are these "mountains of evidence of institutional abuse"? "Hyperbolic" fits better than "fabricated", and no apologist that I know of will ever claim that the situation is fabricated. Exaggerated, yes, but not fabricated. Ken Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14797479314484598727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-14673219936838650342013-03-21T20:26:37.875-04:002013-03-21T20:26:37.875-04:00SaraSNAP is not only dishonest, she is bigoted, as...SaraSNAP is not only dishonest, she is bigoted, as revealed by her comments above regarding Pope Francis. They are irrelevant to this trial and are extraneous baggage that she brings to her interpretation of the objective facts, thereby distorting such interpretation. <br />She thus provides a perfect analogy to the dynamics of the miscarriage of justice at hand. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-23189502431378305732013-03-21T12:02:48.122-04:002013-03-21T12:02:48.122-04:00Can anyone give information on the appeals of Lynn...Can anyone give information on the appeals of Lynn, Engelhardt, & Shero? Have they been filed? When do they get heard?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-14655442529786581442013-03-21T11:28:28.566-04:002013-03-21T11:28:28.566-04:00Right on KO. What would your take be on the suicid...Right on KO. What would your take be on the suicide note?bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-44221813084363672372013-03-21T09:30:50.553-04:002013-03-21T09:30:50.553-04:00@ Ralph C: "I'm amazed by people's ab...@ Ralph C: "I'm amazed by people's ability to see what they want to see here."<br /><br />Yep. If the Beasley firm ever does a focus group for one of their cases, ask to watch. It's truly incredible. A group will hear the same evidence and often individuals will be relying on the same piece of evidence for the exact opposite propositions. You can see the same phenomenon in Presidential debates. My fundamental problem with the Shero and Engelhardt cases is that the there is no past history of abuse by either of the two, and no real family connection (as there was with Mark). At the inception of the story, you had to believe that there was these adults with no history of abuse and no real connection with each other chose to abuse this kid and no other in a very aggressive manner and in quasi public places. Billy basically alleged a conspiracy of three adults who abused one and only one kid at St. Jeromes's during a relatively narrow period of time. With Sandusky, kids came out of the woodwork over many years; and despite some insinuation, there is no real evidence that he acted in concert with other adults with regard to the abuse. It's just an extraordinary claim; and to me, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to support them. Here, there is nothing more than a disjointed story by a very troubled kid with significant inconsistencies. If I heard the evidence, I would have voted for an acquittal to the point of hanging the jury. But, as I have seen in focus groups, there are individuals who will look at the evidence completely differently. The common feature of this juror is that he or she is faith based rather than reality based. They have a particular belief, and they overemphasize evidence that supports their belief and ignore evidence that is inconsistent with their belief. Indeed, if there is overwhelming evidence that contradicts their belief, they will construct a conspiracy that suggests that the pile of evidence is so overwhelming that it must be concocted. Evolution, Climate Change, and Obama's birthplace are all great examples of reality versus faith based thinking. The more reality based evidence you throw at a faith based thinker, the more entrenched they become in their belief. This is a great scenario because you have two faith based camps opposing each other. Church apologists, by definition, are faith based and want to claim that mountains of evidence of institutional abuse are all fabricated to make the church look bad. "Victims-Advocates" refuse to acknowledge that not all cases are supported by the evidence and want to believe any victim who comes forward with a story that supports their world view. kopridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033734864815154844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-63293834083054387772013-03-21T08:07:31.302-04:002013-03-21T08:07:31.302-04:00Look forward to my email about coffee on April 19t...Look forward to my email about coffee on April 19th. Until then enjoy your rants based on a total disregard to the facts of this case. Your true agenda shines through everyday. We the fighters will enjoy when these men are set free and Billy is exposed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-51218581695726425212013-03-21T07:04:32.993-04:002013-03-21T07:04:32.993-04:00Now, now, now chippy111. I luv when people drop of...Now, now, now chippy111. I luv when people drop off the deep end like you do. It shows character. You would have done or acted the same way Billy did if that happened to you, or has it ? You may have a form of Stockholm Syndrome, it is an urge to continue to protect your abuser either dead or alive in fear you maybe abused again. And you may see that abuser who hurt you I would guess in Engelhardt. <br /><br />I will now take that into consideration when reading your comments.<br /><br />If you wish to talk - eckerdennis@ymail.com<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-20702019351159595432013-03-21T06:04:22.341-04:002013-03-21T06:04:22.341-04:00Dennis,
You are a coward. You know nothing of me ...Dennis,<br /><br />You are a coward. You know nothing of me or my affiliation with this trial. I am so sure you have something on the 18th that is so much more important, considering you have sat behind your keyboard for 3 1/2 months now dedicating yourself to this blog. You don't seem to really have a life outside the walls you have created on your own. You are a fraud, which is probably why you still believe Billy's fabricated stories. I doubt anything actually happened to you, you are just a court jester at this point. A fool to those looking to find the real facts, wherever it takes us. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-36557971989916133442013-03-21T03:51:36.055-04:002013-03-21T03:51:36.055-04:00@Archie - prayers are great and I won't take t...@Archie - prayers are great and I won't take that away from anyone, it is probably the best thing anyone can do for these two individuals for there immediate future.<br /><br />Fact is though these two individuals have been foung guilty, and will be sentenced.<br /><br />Now if I can give some advice. A long time ago I stopped asking the question why. Why did what happen to me happen ? Now I only ask one question and that is what. What can I do to prevent abuse by clergy ? What can I do to help anyone who needs that little bit of extra strength to come forward ? What can i do to turn victims into survivors ? <br /><br />You and many others including myself have been sucked into Ralph Cipriano's blog. He reports nothing more than what anyone of us could have found on public records. he continues to fuel the fire with the could of, should of, would of attitude. He brings out in my opinion his own biased views of events. If what he has to say is so important, why has not anything he has had to say to date been picked up on a major media outlet ?<br /><br />What he and others have to say including yourself is not productive for Engelhardt and Shero. Its to late to close the barn door, the horse has already left. STOP being one of Ralph's followers or Monday morning quarterbacks.<br /><br />I cannot believe what I am going to say next:<br /><br />1.use this blog as a productive way to help Engelhardt and Shero, and if this blog goes away start up a Facebook page.<br /><br />2.Most likely Shero and Engelhardt will be scared as hell once they reach their final destination. Organize individuals to see them on visiting days as much as possible.<br /><br />3.Have individuals visit Shero's or Engelhardt's family. Cards and letters are great, but somone standing there is so much better. You would be suprised what holding someone's hand can do.<br /><br />I don't believe you are a stupid man and get the drift about what I am saying. If you truly believe these two individuals are innocent stop asking the question why,why,why, but start saying what,what,what. What can i do to help them. This blog is not the answer.<br /><br />Now I promise you, if you choose to be that leader it will not be easy. because there will be people like me watching every move you make. I am that bastard, I am that SOB as people describe me to be, but i am also that guy who will fill up when I am told thank you, or don't ever stop what I am doing.<br /><br />So no one can call me two faced, I still believe these individuals should get the max amount of time as possible. But ask yourself this, Why would anyone especially Dennis give us advice ?<br /><br />if anyone who is tired of being a victim and wants to become a survivor please contact me at eckerdennis@ymail.com<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-1979743110565666932013-03-21T01:19:02.499-04:002013-03-21T01:19:02.499-04:00ThreeThreeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-62579567610896114862013-03-21T00:04:41.649-04:002013-03-21T00:04:41.649-04:00I pray, too, everyday. I pray for the unjustly ac...I pray, too, everyday. I pray for the unjustly accused, and I will never stop praying for them. I would never have mentioned this, but Dennis asked.Archie Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13118480141793016031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-22723074855590313762013-03-20T21:32:50.676-04:002013-03-20T21:32:50.676-04:00Sarah, I firsthand know of one that was falsely a...Sarah, I firsthand know of one that was falsely accused of molestation who was successful in his suicide. The allegations were proven to be false after the fact. There have been more instances of this very scenario. There IS precedent for it. <br /><br />I repeat, your emotions have been preyed upon. You've been had. Ken Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14797479314484598727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-23327504487199668402013-03-20T18:20:54.085-04:002013-03-20T18:20:54.085-04:00Dennis, let me fill you in: The sacristy at St Jer...Dennis, let me fill you in: The sacristy at St Jerome's, when the 4 hour rape allegedly occurred, includes a door to the altar, a door leading to the school and a door to the only bathroom in the church which was accessible to anyone who needed a restroom. That is what makes it a "public room." Anyone was able to enter this room at any given time. It was not the typical sacristy that I guess you or I have been in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-70594653577082981062013-03-20T17:38:07.883-04:002013-03-20T17:38:07.883-04:00Hi SarahTX2.
I'll tell you a secret. When I ...Hi SarahTX2.<br /><br />I'll tell you a secret. When I first read the last Grand Jury Report, I tended to believe that Shero was the sole perp and that Billy was method acting regarding Avery and Engelhardt. <br /><br />However, upon further reflection and reading the trial accounts published here and elsewhere, I'm thoroughly convinced that all three men are innocent. All three.<br /><br />I would suggest that you re-read Shero's suicide note. In it, I see a friendless, suffering, visually handicapped man who has long been supported by his loving parents. With no children of his own, he willingly and selflessly sponsors a young girl from another country.<br /><br />Being accused of the sexual abuse of a minor is - in and of itself - such an unspeakable crime that leaves an indelible mark against one's name, effectively tarnishing it forever - - even in the face of an acquittal. <br /><br />Considering this, his fragile state of mind at the time, the Avery's plea / Lynn's conviction, the relentless prosecution efforts and the imminence of his arrest, one can perhaps understand why he would seek the relief that he felt suicide would offer.<br /><br />Sarah, Shero begged for his parents forgiveness because of his pending suicide, not because he abused Billy.<br /><br />Why not give Shero the same level of understanding, compassion and benefit of the doubt that you apparently extend to Billy, with all of his 'stories'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-26203707342834282802013-03-20T16:33:36.581-04:002013-03-20T16:33:36.581-04:00chippy111 - You will never understand. The jury ow...chippy111 - You will never understand. The jury owes the public, the family, the press, NOTHING. Tears have been shed. But those tears are no different then those who have shed tears in the past, present, or future. But the goal is to get all tears stopped from being shed.<br /><br />Take your foot out of your mouth. YOU will never LIVE with this until they are free and names clear. You may remember it when you have nothing else to think about, and that seems alot with you, but you will never LIVE it. <br /><br />Now, I must decline your offer for coffee, it will be April 18 and i am so sorry that I already have made prior arrangements. But I will be more than happy at a later to show you if I have "stones" or not.<br /><br />Please e-mail me so we can set something up.<br /><br />eckerdennis@ymail.com Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-74417090895282030022013-03-20T15:44:06.340-04:002013-03-20T15:44:06.340-04:00Chippy is right; Shero did tell the detectives he ...Chippy is right; Shero did tell the detectives he took only two pills.bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-75170839184637729282013-03-20T15:43:23.239-04:002013-03-20T15:43:23.239-04:00One, do i hear two. One, do i hear two. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-34546841869395992152013-03-20T15:37:19.563-04:002013-03-20T15:37:19.563-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-6276130064129859922013-03-20T15:36:49.321-04:002013-03-20T15:36:49.321-04:00When did the sacrisy come to be a public place ?When did the sacrisy come to be a public place ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-51320994576061312972013-03-20T15:24:52.290-04:002013-03-20T15:24:52.290-04:00(TheMediaReport.com posting from a different compu...(TheMediaReport.com posting from a different computer. Not one of the many 'Anonymous'es floating around here.)<br /><br />For those like SaraTX2 who think that innocent men do not commit suicide, read this story, which is startling similar to that of Shero:<br /><br />http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/15/his_reputation_sullied_teacher_commits_suicide/?page=full<br /><br />And, SaraTX2, your dishonesty is astounding. When Shero wrote, "Forgive me," he was CLEARLY asking his folks to forgive him for killing himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com