tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post4022066071259676431..comments2023-10-22T09:32:13.417-04:00Comments on Big Trial | Philadelphia Trial Blog: The Split In The D.A.'s Office Over Billy Doe's [Lack Of] Credibility Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04116104602505815614noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-38383687867663552892013-11-30T12:11:32.077-05:002013-11-30T12:11:32.077-05:00who ever is reading this testimony today should pl...who ever is reading this testimony today should please celebrate with me <br />and my family because it all started like a joke to some people and others <br />said it was impossible. my name is Michael i live in Chicago i am happily <br />married with two kids and a lovely wife something terrible happen to my <br />family along the line, i lost my job and my wife packed out of my house <br />because i was unable to take care of her and my kids at that particular <br />time. i manage all through five years, no wife to support me to take care <br />of the children and there come a faithful day that i will never forget in <br />my life i met an old friend who i explain all my difficulties to, and he <br />took me to a spell caster and and the name of the temple is called, DR <br />Okundonor, i was assure that everything will be fine and my wife will come <br />back to me after the wonderful work of Dr Okundonorgreatspell, my wife <br />came back to me and today i am one of the richest man in my country. i <br />advice you if you have any problem email him with this email: <br />dr.okundonorgreatspell@gmail.com and you will have the best result. take <br />things for granted and it will be take from you. i wish you all the best.<br /><br />Contact: dr.okundonorgreatspell@gmail.com<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-31662737881748780072013-03-14T18:24:52.157-04:002013-03-14T18:24:52.157-04:00I never really believed in any of these things but...I never really believed in any of these things but when I was losing Garvin, I needed help and somewhere to turn badly. 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Here in Australia, many years ago, I volunteered to assist police by going in an identity parade ( a line-up ). They brought in the suspect and he took a place in the line-up. Then they brought in a boy, clearly traumatized. About 11-12 years old and a pitiful sight. The senior detective explained that the kid had run away from a orphanage. The suspect, an out- of- work chef, had offered the kid a bed for the night. you guessed it, he sodomized the boy. In the morning the kid escaped, and a woman, a total stranger, asked him what was wrong with him. She phoned the police. But in Billy's case you are asked to believe that his mother (a nurse) and his father (a policeman) never noticed anything wrong with their 11 year son????? <br />Folks if you had seen what I had seen then, then you would laugh to scorn this pack of lies. It would be utterly impossible for Billy to be sodomized (by anybody) and his mother not notice his condition. Moreover from my own childhood and observing my siblings, we would run to our mother if hurt or threatened, by anybody.<br />This travesty of justice will not stand.<br /><br />Malc<br />March 8. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01849524635841065928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-37495567741282695562013-03-05T12:38:13.543-05:002013-03-05T12:38:13.543-05:00Rumors, Ralph? You're seeking rumors? The fa...Rumors, Ralph? You're seeking rumors? The facts are inconvenient, so rumors will have to do? I agree that rumors would be compelling reading and they tend to explode when whispered from one person to another, and I totally look forward to your compilation of them, but let's understand that that would be fiction and not fact. Given that, I should like to hear what anyone in Philadelphia supposes are the undisclosed reasons that the jury foreman left the Catholic Church. I'll be coming back to your blog at least once a week to look for that amazing discussion. SarahTX2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13127925134697324637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-29303908493416321842013-03-05T08:03:21.402-05:002013-03-05T08:03:21.402-05:00If the defense lawyers left on someone who was fro...If the defense lawyers left on someone who was from St. Jerome's that might be one explanation. Parishes are small places where everybody knows each other. One of the priests on the suspended list is from my childhood parish. In addition to what he has been accused of, there was a long history of questionable acts going back to his seminary days. Everybody knew he was off and it was a topic of fairly wide discussion. If he was prosecuted and somebody from the parish was on the jury, he would be convicted of everything up to and including Hoffa's murder. If someone from the parish came in to testify that he was a good guy or it couldn't of happened, a juror who grew up in my neighborhood wouldn't believe that person. If you find the St Jerome lady, then we will know what happened. That was a very high risk move to leave her on the jury. And the cop factor always looms large. My $0.02.kopridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033734864815154844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-51947235515960844662013-03-04T16:21:29.842-05:002013-03-04T16:21:29.842-05:00Thank You. The reason I say that is you educated y...Thank You. The reason I say that is you educated yourself regarding the abuse about this case. The statement Billy made about being abused for 5-7 hrs. is the truth. Does it mean that Billy for the entire 5-7 hrs. was experiencing penetration ? No, but to a little boy who had just experienced what he went through at the time, it could have seen endless to him. <br /><br />Rape is not about pleasure, but the control the abuser has over his victim. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-29905633340326286372013-03-04T15:17:41.032-05:002013-03-04T15:17:41.032-05:00In this town, we're down to this blog.In this town, we're down to this blog.bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-91613901549796023752013-03-04T14:46:13.548-05:002013-03-04T14:46:13.548-05:00Ralph,
'Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?' -...Ralph,<br /><br />'Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?' - <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-68149272522949762382013-03-04T14:12:20.954-05:002013-03-04T14:12:20.954-05:00My understanding is that Billy was never polygraph...My understanding is that Billy was never polygraphed. It was suggested by a defense lawyer, though, but apparently nobody took him up on it.bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-25721779186301660612013-03-04T14:10:34.960-05:002013-03-04T14:10:34.960-05:00Ko, the jury was anonymous, and during selection t...Ko, the jury was anonymous, and during selection they were referred to by numbers rather than names. So I have no way of contacting them. Nobody from the jury has come forward. <br /><br />I think we are missing a piece of the story myself. As to the jury, I have heard rumors about jurors having relatives on the police force, and other rumors, but nothing has been confirmed. The jury foreman went to St. Jerome's and knew Avery, but then left the Catholic church for reasons not disclosed. I was told she was a nurse who may have known Billy's mother. But again, I have nothing confirmed.<br /><br />Anybody know anything out there?bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-67817153417499173822013-03-04T13:42:22.442-05:002013-03-04T13:42:22.442-05:00"Why this is amusing if it was not for the fa..."Why this is amusing if it was not for the fact that four innocent people are in jail is that the average person lasts between 15 minutes to 30 minutes while having sex and this claim of five hours of anal abuse is so much crock as to be totally unbelievable to any rational person!" <br /><br />Actually, your time estimate of 15-30 minutes would be abnormally long for recreational sex. According to most reputable studies, its between 3-7 minutes; and anything beyond 12 minutes would be considered to be a "delayed or junkie orgasm." http://www.esquire.com/women/sex/average-sex-time-0709 Below find the source. But again, quibbling over one particular inconsistency given the veritable sea of inconsistencies in Billy's story seems beyond the point; and rapists often do have some form of sexual dysfunction that can make climax difficult if not impossible. <br /><br />Juries collectively are not stupid. Something else was going on in this case; and we don't know what. Under any analysis, for many reasons, Billy's story seems to lack credibility. But people can get raped for a long time. The motivation for recreational sex is completely different than what is going on in a rape. Assuming that a rape victim is lying simply based upon a conventional understanding of recreational sex would be as specious as assuming that all priests abuse kids based upon some unfounded assumption. A woman or man who was raped over a long period of time could find your knee jerk assessment a bit insulting. Rape is not about mutual sexual pleasure; and often not even about sexual pleasure of the perpetrator. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />kopridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033734864815154844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-36589908750349445392013-03-04T13:12:40.465-05:002013-03-04T13:12:40.465-05:00Ralph, Have you heard from any of the jurors? Base...Ralph, Have you heard from any of the jurors? Based upon your reporting of this case, I was very surprised by the conviction. My theory is that one or more rogue jurors filled in the gaps of the prosecutors case; and smoothed out the inconsistencies in Billy's story. Other than that, nothing else makes sense. McGovern is a very fine defense lawyer and it sounds like the case could not have gone better for the defense. The last jury hung on the Brennan case and there was significantly more corroboration that at least some untoward conduct occurred between the two. As my prior posts certainly indicate, I am no fan of the AOP or the RCC, but less of a fan of anyone getting railroaded or unfairly convicted. In my humble opinion, there is a piece that is missing to this story; and my best guess is that a juror had some undisclosed connection to the players in the case. The other issue is that Billy's father is a Philly Police officer. Suffice it to say that strange things happen when Philly cops have a stake in a case. And I think that is why, in no small part, there was a lot of coddling and benefit of the doubt given Billy throughout the whole process. Cop's kids (and relatives) often get special treatment in the system both when they are the accused and the accuser. It usually doesn't invade the jury box but it would absolutely affect whether the DA goes forward with a particular marginal prosecution. kopridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033734864815154844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-23895457072313978182013-03-04T10:27:49.676-05:002013-03-04T10:27:49.676-05:00Chippy111,
You raise a good point. I wonder if t...Chippy111,<br /><br />You raise a good point. I wonder if the DA's office did - in fact - polygraph Billy when he came forward with his allegations. Or was the DA's office so intent on convicting Bevilacqua that they skipped this step. <br /><br />While polygraph results are not admissible evidence per se in Pennsylvania, they are good preliminary investigative tools - cases in point: Avery - no deception, Engelhardt - no deception, Billy - ???.<br /><br />In the interest of American Justice, I think that the public has a right to know. <br /><br />How can we find out?<br /><br />Ralph - thanks, again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-82415678211026049632013-03-04T09:49:35.730-05:002013-03-04T09:49:35.730-05:00Hi Ralph,
Aquarium? In this particular case, I t...Hi Ralph,<br /><br />Aquarium? In this particular case, I think it was more like an uncovered sandbox.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-3109287125441996222013-03-03T17:36:19.163-05:002013-03-03T17:36:19.163-05:00Billy cannot get his stories straight. He has a g...Billy cannot get his stories straight. He has a girlfriend who knows he will hit the lottery jackpot and sticks with a heroin abuser of a loser who works as a landscaper in Florida for a relative. Billy put four people - a Monsignor, two priests and a teacher in jail by telling a fabrication of stories about his abuse. One I find amusing was his claim that he was anally abused from 7 am to 12 noon in the room behind the altar while conveniently ignoring the fact that the doors were open at all times and there was plenty of traffic flowing in and out. Why this is amusing if it was not for the fact that four innocent people are in jail is that the average person lasts between 15 minutes to 30 minutes while having sex and this claim of five hours of anal abuse is so much crock as to be totally unbelievable to any rational person!<br /><br />Billy now faces multiple charges of perjury once the priests and teacher are released from jail and the DA will have to prosecute him for such.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578737874188115992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-63552441053857310252013-03-03T00:06:40.296-05:002013-03-03T00:06:40.296-05:00No, I do not wish the Archdiocese to have more abu...No, I do not wish the Archdiocese to have more abusers. They have produced enough damage and sorrow all on their own without any help from you or me. You state you are a survivor and you "personally know several survivors of abuse" Is this something you are proud of ? I will assume you are telling me the truth about being a survivor, but this is not a club you and I belong to. Because if it is I am more than willing to give up my membership. Then you state that I do not show quality of a typical survivor of abuse.<br /><br />Then you tell me what is the typical quality of someone who has been abused. Should I be walking around the house feeling sorry for myself with a gun to my head ? Should I wear a wife beater t-shirt and sit in a chair all day and watch television ? I know, should I blame everything that happened negative in my life on my abuse ?<br /><br />It is sad to say this is how some victims/survivors deal with the abuse they suffered, Others become paramedics, doctors and nurses and go on to get married, and raise children.<br /><br />If you ever have doubt again that I am a victim, I will let you speak with my wife. She also became a victim when she married me. She is the one who deals with my nightmares. If anyone should have a doubt it is me. Because one thing I did notice about these comment pages are most survivors use their real names. It is a way in fighting back against the abuser saying we are no longer afraid. WE DID NOTHING WRONG for you to do what you did to us. But it is not written in stone and does not show the typical quality of a survivor if they do not do it.<br /><br />Now I stated in Ralph's previous blog I am more than willing to sit down and talk with any survivor, because we are the ones who have first hand experience. Unlike Chippy111 (sorry to always use you as an example) their comments come from the sidelines, but are an interesting read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-85927608524256162132013-03-02T21:00:29.484-05:002013-03-02T21:00:29.484-05:00Big problem with that mindset: it fosters hatred, ...Big problem with that mindset: it fosters hatred, it places all emphasis on clinging to the past while ignoring -where- the problem is in the present, and most important of all, that mindset cares NOTHING of fixing the problem. I'm willing to bet that you WANT the priesthood to be riddled with abusers. <br /><br />You wear your spite like a comfortable pair of old loafers. St. Seraphimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12565781328123135017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-31908588214604780722013-03-02T13:31:29.988-05:002013-03-02T13:31:29.988-05:00If you are willing to forgive you are willing to f...If you are willing to forgive you are willing to forget. But you must understand the abuse you may have suffered was not your fault. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG so you don't have to forgive anyone. <br /><br />Like your name you use here St. Seraphim of Sarov I am not in self denial, and I no longer see the good in the catholic church. I will not be like him and ask for a judge to ever have mercy on abusers.<br /><br />I have nothing to resolve, because a long time ago I began to live in a world called reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-41165277021675696482013-03-02T10:58:12.396-05:002013-03-02T10:58:12.396-05:00It is PURE EVIL of yourself to put words into my m...It is PURE EVIL of yourself to put words into my mouth that I NEVER SAID! <br /><br />WHERE did say "forget"? Rhetorical question, I never said it. <br /><br />Got news for you: that Hermley abused before and after is not the fault of the diocese or the bishop. It IS the fault of all of those at the ground level who suspected Hermley's activities and did nothing about it. <br /><br />Without fail, the breakdowns happened at the ground level, and that is where the problem must be fixed. It is the ONLY place that the problem can be fixed. What have you done to fix the problem? Do you think poisoning the blogs is going to fix the problem? Or writing letters to your bishop? Here's a novel thought: how about instead, educating the laity to recognize signs of abuse and how to act promptly, or teaching our children exactly what safe boundaries are, you know, things that have REAL concrete resolution.<br /><br />But you are not interested in resolution. Your spite is going to consume you, maybe kill you, and that's no one's fault but your own. St. Seraphimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12565781328123135017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-74085282782865378622013-03-02T08:48:02.313-05:002013-03-02T08:48:02.313-05:00Another individual who wants abuse survivors to fo...Another individual who wants abuse survivors to forgive and forget. If you are able to do that I commend you. But this is how the abuse problem got so big within the catholic church. This is how Hermley was able to abuse before me and this is how Hermley was able to abuse after me. Am I vindictive ? Your damn right. Do I have it under control ? I will let you decide that. <br /><br />You should be ashamed if you are truly are an abuse victim to ask anyone to follow the same path as you have. If you wish to give your abuser a big hug and a kiss on the cheek and say all is forgotten then that is on you. I WILL NOT. <br /><br />I have one thing on my bucket list and that is to go to Delaware and piss on the grave of my abuser. Then MAYBE I will have some inner peace. But no promises.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-48902356643919197032013-03-02T07:55:08.706-05:002013-03-02T07:55:08.706-05:00I'd like to bring up one point about Louise Ha...I'd like to bring up one point about Louise Hagner. If her recounting of Billy's story was suspect, why did the prosecutors have her appear before the grand jury that indicted Engelhardt & Shero, and have her read her notes verbatim into the record? The grand jury is the prosecutor's aquarium; no defense lawyers were allowed to question her. bigtrial.nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188557653424544411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-54636101506118449802013-03-02T01:22:02.995-05:002013-03-02T01:22:02.995-05:00Dennis, I am a survivor of abuse, and I personall...Dennis, I am a survivor of abuse, and I personally know several survivors of abuse. What troubles me about your rhetoric is just how spiteful and vindictive it is. This is a quality that is not typical of a survivor of abuse. It means one of two things: 1) you _choose_ to live in your spite and refuse true healing that comes from forgiveness and resolution, or 2) you are lying through your teeth. <br /><br />Which is it?St. Seraphimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12565781328123135017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-90716408125697976712013-03-02T01:19:35.707-05:002013-03-02T01:19:35.707-05:00WOOD it not be funy that an illiterate individual ...WOOD it not be funy that an illiterate individual a long with a drug addit a long with other peoples be wones hoo pull the cornerstones from the katholic church to bild a better won.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-44892129095877228292013-03-02T00:59:57.693-05:002013-03-02T00:59:57.693-05:00I never said I was perfect, and I am not without f...I never said I was perfect, and I am not without faults. Unlike those like you who believe the Roman Catholic Church can do no wrong. Continue to love the Media Reports two cents because in the end when it is all said and done that's all its worth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8876661997317409023.post-43316098290849511522013-03-01T22:53:09.160-05:002013-03-01T22:53:09.160-05:00Media Report, I do love your two cents. Dennis, I ...Media Report, I do love your two cents. Dennis, I can't help but correct your spelling. In America, one who tells lies is called a Liar, not a lier. And when you raise your glass to your "lier"and his parents, make sure you compliment him for being an upstanding citizen, never doing drugs and dealing- or getting caught with 56 bags of heroin for his own use. Please tell his parents that they did a wonderful job raising their sons- one is a lawyer and the other is a loser! Frankenlil19https://www.blogger.com/profile/00586597830046218339noreply@blogger.com